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NOTE that this review is for both the PIONEER AVH-P4300 and Pioneer CD-BTB200BT as I feel they are both a required for most users with phones; especially IPhones.
Everyone wants to hear how great this head unit is; as it really is, and some want to know what flaws it might have; which it has. Keep in mind this is a personal review; my opinion. Let me start by asking Pioneer...what is the sense of having such great iPhone and iPod compatibility and functionality without having the most basic IPhone functionality? Making and receiving calls with seamless music interruption, and basic phonebook access). The PIONEER AVH-P4300 DVD is advertised with Bluetooth compatibility with the Pioneer CD-BTB200BT Bluetooth module, While it may be "compatible", there is a real lack of integration with the PIONEER AVH-P4300 DVD and CD-BTB200BT Bluetooth unit.
POSITIVES:
BLOOTOOTH:
While very basic, it works for incoming and outgoing calls most of the time.
Sound quality from Bluetooth is very good.
INTERNAL PROGRAMMING / Integration / Sound Quality:
* The screen is responsive to touch with very little lag.
* Great navigation in music / video and all menus for settings.
* Good IPOD control
* APP Mode
* Pandora integration
* Auto EQ (setup microphone required)
* 5-band EQ
* Able to output to a second screen using two different sources or both screens to one source
* Sounds very good with the help of Auto EQ and other settings or 5 band graphic EQ.
* Excellent soundstage and presence when the Auto EQ is used.
* Good integration with IPOD / IPhone 4.
* 4V preamp outputs
* Lots of connections on the back
* 7" screen is bright (seems to look best when you turn on the black level in picture adjustments)
* You can change the viewing angle
* Plays DVD's
* Bluetooth Audio Streaming has very good sound
This Head unit sounds absolutely amazing when set up right - even in a high end component system.
NEGATIVES / Bugs / Problems:
BLOOTOOTH:
* Every time Bluetooth connects - no sound until I disconnect and reconnect the iPhone or go into the streaming choice menu and select the "Dock Connector" - even when BT Audio is set to manual - it connects still. FYI: There are 2 BT connection choices displayed on the iPhone 4 for the CD-BTB200, mine are called "Pioneer BT unit2" (for audio streaming), the other is "Dock Connector" (for phone uses).
* About half the time when I answer the phone on the head unit - it answers, but music is playing through the IPhone 4 earpiece along with the person I am trying to talk to - it's a pain to switch to the music source and pause it, then switch back to the phone screen so the person on the other end can hear me! (It's easier to just unplug the CD-IU200V cable). This is not a problem with the IPhone 4 - it is a problem with the Pioneer CD-BTB200BT Bluetooth system - confirmed with a pioneer technician. I had a Sony MEX-BTB2800 (paid $109.00) which did all Bluetooth functions perfectly (the Sony MEX-BTB2800 is a very basic head unit and does not compare to this Pioneer unit, but it has excellent Bluetooth integration compared to this). Pioneer also informed me that the CD-BTB200BT system is old technology that was designed about five years ago. No wonder there are so many problems with it!
* Can't seem to register more than one Bluetooth device or juggle connections
* No phonebook functions - unrecognizable / unusable call history / Bluetooth functions.
* Can't dial from the screen or import your phone book or browse call history (I think this does support last call dialing, but there are no labels for the function buttons to use this and you can't see the number you're dialing on screen, etc.)
* Audio Streaming is an important function for me so my family can stream from an IPAD or IPOD's, but I still need to use my phone on Bluetooth - won't do both. Should be able to juggle 2 connections. You have to completely disconnect one to connect to another...understandable, but there is no menu selection to do this intuitively. Also, the volume level for Bluetooth phone should be separated from audio volume and remembered (like my cheap Sony unit did) so if you were listening to loud music and you get a call...the person on the other end will be extremely loud until you turn the volume down.
* Overall, the Pioneer AVH-P4300 has poor Bluetooth integration when used with the separately available CD-BTB200BT adapter. Quality Bluetooth integration should be built in to all mobile units especially when advertised. Many electronics 5-6 yrs. older have better Bluetooth.
* Another reviewer on AMAZON states "It boggles my mind how lesser Pioneer models like P3300BT have full Bluetooth phonebook support, and full caller history, yet their more expensive line has only crippled Bluetooth." And I feel the same way - especially when we paid so much more with the CD-BTB200. Everyone expects stellar functionality with a separate component like this - we paid much more and got so much less functionality than the cheaper units with built in BT.
VIDEO:
* IPhone 4 Video and audio is always out of sync a little - it can be a little annoying. In talking with a Pioneer technician, he told me of a programming sequence to change from digital to analog mode that may resolve this problem, however, at a (major) cost to the sound reproduction in analog mode. The procedure is to start with the ignition off, then push and hold both mode and eject buttons - holding them in while turning ignition on and waiting until you hear a single beep. The same procedure is supposed to be used to revert back to digital mode, but I couldn't get it to go back so I just reset the whole unit again with the reset button. I do not see this as an adequate fix to the problem if it reduces the audio quality. I tried it and the sound was a bit lifeless, lacked punch, clarity and detail.
* While this unit will play videos from your iPhone while multitasking on the iPhone, it will quit playing video (but continues audio) for video files if you either close the screen that is open on your iPhone 4 while playing iPod/iPhone music videos/movies, or if you turn off the phone display (because it is too bright at night) by touching the power button on the IPhone 4. There is a work around that will allow you to multitask on the iPhone 4 and will allow you to turn off your screen and still watch video; Before getting the video playing, close the iPod program on the phone, then select the video/movie track (from the Pioneer interface) through the video menu - now you can multitask and use other programs on your phone, or you can turn off the display of your phone while playing videos or music from your iPhone. Since it already has the ability, I think it should be programmed to automatically play in the background.
* The resolution of the screen is low, even compared to most high end smartphones, and is just not sharp, although the picture quality is still very good.
INTERNAL PROGRAMMING / Integration / Sound Quality:
* NO MP4 support (SD) and decreased sound quality from high quality files on an SD card.
* It is a little annoying that the unit will usually start playing the same song every time you connect the cable to the iPhone or IPOD (selected alphabetically). The AVH-P4300 does not remember what song or video it was last playing when you disconnect the CD-IU200V cable. Never remembers where you left off when using IPOD control when you unplug. It should work like Pandora on the iPhone or other electronics; it starts where you left off.
* The AVH-P4300 does NOT have a flash chip or battery backup for all of you custom settings...so when you need to disconnect the battery, (which all of us occasionally need to do for service, etc.), all custom setup is LOST, including the Auto EQ setup, etc. It will be just like you bought the unit and just pulled it out of the box. No EQ settings or any customization is saved. This is a major pain in the A - especially if you have set up the Auto EQ. Tailoring the system to your tastes and setting up the Auto EQ again will take about 15-20 minutes even when familiar with setup.
* "Hiss" noise when moderate to heavy equalization is used - especially Auto EQ. Although this has a CEA2006 rating of 91dBA on the amplifier section, the preamp section with moderate to heavy EQ settings I might guess could be in the 55-60 dB Signal to Noise range. The signal to noise rating is when using no EQ adjustments. As soon as you start to increase the EQ bands the hiss becomes worse. The hiss gets progressively worse the more you increase the band dB - even at low volume or average listening levels. (don't confuse this with engine noise or external noise sources, as this is when the car is off - also using high quality RCA cables which have better than 60 dB noise rejection going to amps which are set to about half gain Sources that create the most hiss include Auto EQ, the 3 loudness settings, any of the Equalizer settings, (the "Powerful" EQ selection is worse), and the Sound Retriever (S.Rtrv). With all of these off or with mild use, you will have a very quiet system with no hiss that draws attention in quiet tracks or in-between tracks - acceptable even at high volumes.
* If you use the Auto EQ, you cannot fine tune the results with the 8-band graphic equalizer. So I like what the Auto EQ did, but would like to fine tune (on the graphic EQ) a couple frequency bands for a little more treble and low end....can't do it unless you turn off the Auto EQ profile completely. What you can do while the Auto EQ profile is selected is use the bass boost, choose from 3 loudness settings that sound like they up the bass, midrange and treble at the same time, still can adjust the subwoofer level, and use the equalization profiles that come with the unit - such as Super Bass, Powerful, Natural, Vocal, Flat,...but you don't get the Custom 1 or Custom 2 equalizer settings when using the Auto EQ profile.
* This setup could use a 10 band EQ one more at about 60Hz, and one more at 12 KHz.
* Does not have source specific audio equalization profiles for Bass, Treble, EQ, etc. All of your sources will use the one profile.
* Text of song names, etc. gets cut off - there is room for more lines on this 7" screen but it just isn't programmed to display it completely.
* Would be nice to have had a 3.5mm jack on the front right bottom row as well as the back
* Lack of a physical volume knob - but I knew this. I just think Pioneer should have at least made the volume buttons stand out a little from the rest of them - at least by feel as they are hard to find if you don't look at it. Even now I go to turn the volume down and mistakenly hit the next track forward or back buttons. They all look and feel the same and the track forward and reverse buttons are the first ones on the left side of the unit. It would be good to have a more distinguishable knob or button that has volume and push click functions. I think the volume control should be on the left side - closest to the driver.
* The manual you get is for the AVH-P3300BT as well as the AVH-P4300DVD. I think they are different enough that they should each have their own manual. For me it just pissed me off the read about the excellent Bluetooth integration features and then to see that it only applies to the AVH-P3300BT model...pissed because I paid close to $150.00 extra for the CD-BTB200BT.
* Lastly... WTF... is Pioneer the Video Police or what? You will have to use a relay bypass or switch to get it to play video while driving down the street (so your passengers can watch). If using the relay setup, you will also have to put a switch in line with the amp turn on (blue) wire which will connect to a switched 12V source to be able to set up the Auto EQ setup. (Setup microphone required Like you're going to set up auto EQ while driving down the street....whatever)
CONCLUSION:
PIONEER AVH-P4300:
I'm keeping it because it is well worth the $350.00 I paid for it, has a 7 inch responsive touch screen, enough IPhone 4 integration, and enough customization ability. The sound quality is excellent when using Auto EQ; creates an excellent soundstage presence.
Pioneer CD-BTB200BT Bluetooth module:
While not worth the money, with several flaws, using technology older than 5 years, I can get it to work for 7 out of 10 incoming, and about 9 out of 10 outgoing calls, I can use the phone to dial out (if I select the phone input source first), the sound quality is good, and I just need to know when I am getting a phone call when music is playing and...It is already installed. There is a real lack of integration with the PIONEER AVH-P4300 DVD and CD-BTB200BT Bluetooth unit.
If you have this setup already and would like Pioneer to get a firmware update to fix any problem or change the functionality, please email Pioneer right off their "contact us" page as I have been told by a Pioneer technician that it will take about 150 complaints about the same problem before they look at it and try to fix or change it or get a firmware update. I think that's a bad policy - should look at even 10-20 complaints as usually there are so many more who will not submit a possible problem.
I think I might choose the Pioneer AVH-P3300BT over this if I could do it all over again, as this has built in Bluetooth (which is supposed to be well integrated compared to the CD-BTB200BT), and has a 3.5mm front jack.
Why do they make you choose one product with inferior features, over another product with different inferior features?
Components used in my system:
* Pioneer AVH-P4300DVD
* Pioneer CD-BTB200BT
* Alpine PDX-M12 & Alpine RUX-KNOB
* Alpine SWR-1242D 12" SUB (just ordered an Image Dynamics IDMAX12 V.3 D2 (RMS: 1000 watts, 1,800 peak, Sensitivity: 93.1 dB)
* Alpine MRP-F300 (going to replace it with the Alpine PDX F4)
* Polk Audio MM691 6x9' pair
* Infinity Reference 6032cf 6.5-Inch pair (might replace with Polk MM6501 separates)
* Optima Yellow top.
* Tsunami Fbw701-anl fuse holder
* Raptor RANL2502 fuse
* The big 3 with KnuKonceptz.com Kolossus Fleks Kable 1/0 and Rockford Fosgate 0 AWG
* Absolute CAP5000 50-Farad 16V Capacitor (for power conditioning only - I wouldn't be surprised if this tested out to be somewhere between 2-10 Farad - I am skeptical - but I somehow got it for $65.00, then the next day the price was raised to $160.00 ...at least it looks good and the volt meter is accurate - I know it has some capacitance as it will light a 12V 8 watt light for about 20 seconds, of which about 14 seconds are bright (so if someone knows the approx. capacitance based on that let me know!)
* Monster MPC I304 4C RCA & Monster MPC I302 2C RCA
* Rockford Fosgate RFK4D 4 AWG Dual Amplifier Install Kit (didn't use the RCA's from this kit for too long - they are junk - these were the cause of noise in my system and even signal drop-outs due to loose connections - fixed this completely with the above mentioned Monster RCA's).
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Pioneer Avh-p4300dvd 7" In-dash Double-din Dvd Av Receiver With Ipod/iphone Control Overview
Pioneer Avh-p4300dvd 7" In-dash Double-din Dvd Av Receiver With Ipod/iphone Control Feature
- Double-DIN AM/FM radio, DVD, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD, CD-R/RW, VCD, MP3/WMA/AAC, JPEG, DivX receiver
- MOSFET 50 Watts x 4 peak power with three 4V RCA preamp outputs for system expansion
- 7-inch touchscreen display with widescreen 16:9 aspect ratio and WQVGA (480x240) pixel resolution
- Features Pandora integration, direct iPod control, playback from USB and SD/SDHC, auxiliary input
- Ready for Bluetooth adapter, Satellite/HD Radio, GPS navigation system, rear-view camera
Pioneer Avh-p4300dvd 7" In-dash Double-din Dvd Av Receiver With Ipod/iphone Control Detail
- Product Dimensions: 9.9 x 11 x 6.7 inches ; 6 pounds
- Shipping Weight: 20 pounds (View shipping rates and policies)
- Shipping: Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S.
- ASIN: B004HW6F7Y
- Item model number: AVH-P4300DVD
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